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he knows that i have left school for the we know how to do a thing. i've been living with the situation since the end of the night at 10, that's the india i live with 2 months reduce and all that is all on the side. they sion, of like field nations. and i'm gonna get federal cause of this. the other one, the kind of, when it typical project, we have luck from russia. i mean, the article fund wouldn't have come from anywhere else. i just directly, you know, really i jobs do it to actually, and i think that is the source of great satisfaction fee, the to hello and welcome. my name is on the phone kid,

welcome to the show. better for the next hoffman. i'd really be talking all the things in the auditor. the very special guest is a former northern army commander, known for his distinguished service and expertise and military strategy and national security. they come left him to another defendant thing already. thank you . so why that was so way, the way it over here. so also on a to be talking to you left kind of general defenders. seeing who is a highly decorated former indian army officer with a career spanning 40 years, he served as the northern army come on to from 2014 to 2016. overseeing to 2016 surgical strikes and practiced on other key military operations, particularly in jumbo and kashmir. he's also served in the united nation submission in ethiopia, and eritrea. after retiring, he contributed significantly, shaping india's national security strategy by leading a congress appointed task force to develop a comprehensive security doctrine in 2019. so i grew up with the

amazing patriotic feelings. wonderful. uh, and whenever i see an army officer, i feel like that to be there. i was born after the ideas of independence. do you see the same fashion for army and now among the common people? yeah, there is. so are there. yeah, that'd be. yeah. if you, if you actually look at the way that it goldman drive, these are out of handling the numbers of people who come up that kind of enthusiasm, that is there to, to join them. an energy forward says, and i think over the years what has not weakened is this, you know, the see pause, pride in uniform, the desire to do well. so, i mean, these are, these are issues that really, i think he bought. i mean, really consistent then very good. i isn't even for the motivation lecture to india and so colored was it was amazing. so. so bad. so when you go for it training made to do, do you finish reading? so i,

it was exactly 16 year old when i joined the national defense academy and i had to hold right on the phone, but i was 60 years old. i mean, almost all of my life as being in uniform. and you would, you would also not the 1st person from the armed forces in your family, in my family. i was my father was in the army, my little brother was in the army. so this leg goes out of natural progression that you know, issue home. so that the guy in the hour, but did you want to do something else or you were happy to be here, you know, just just out of school and then straight into india and i saw that near the g might it's yes, it is amazing. it's unbelievable. means a made elective. huh. so the, the to a 2500 people get. it's sitting this straight, 1st of all uh i, i usually use a lot of human in my speeches, but to do it like that. so often the whole thing about, oh, come on, you said it was a successful lecture. i said there was no reaction. you said nobody's sleep, nobody slept. yeah, i think it takes me to call back to make it

a success. that's amazing. i'll fix it. yeah. and then it's a pull it up for you. a draining the 3 is in t as in india, and then we do one year that i've made that one. so i don't do the training videos for you as a new one in june can for the very, very important period of us years. how help. i just want to understand in a, in a situation that when you have to deal with people who are the enemies of the country and you have to strategize, what goes, what is the one point that goes on in your mind? so basically, i think, you know, that is i and you have a clear objective in the military that you have some listed to me. and i think that's remains that are for most and all the hope timing to do it. objective is very objective is to bring these finish after them and you're going this way then all your actions. i did that accordingly with that, with that single minded focus and object and not a good 70 obligation has it really helped? yes it, that's, it has to elaborate all sorts as you know, why is that?

what was, have significant be very significantly come down. i think the narrative that the india would live with a 2 constitutions which really wasn't possible within the state. you mind. have you mind, guess me, you having a separate constitution and a separate constitution for the country? some separate this tendencies, that at all is because of this different constitutional arrangements. i think all of that has all that, all that is all gone. and then there's some people who sort of, we are in a free country, people have a, the opinion about everything. but what do you personally feel when somebody criticizes army in the country? look, you know, you obviously uh you obviously sort of feel bad about that when i think we have professional enough to understand that you know, as long as you keep doing on your company. but that time you are still not going to the less than i'm not. i said personally, sometimes you for you. hi. i mean i,

i was responsible for planning the so it goes strikes. yes. i remember. and later, you know, there was some questions raised. i still did it actually happened medic? yeah, i'm phone traditions. yeah. so the position you said this is a new the new really bad. what are they said? i just do it the you know, really i job good. personally, and i think that is a source of great satisfaction for you. you have spoken or you know how to against politicizing miller do. outpatient is what kind of damage do think it closes people in the site. they shut off with a tree, operations, the damage it sort of causes this, the other one, if i still have them, when you started sort of taking decisions based on what your thing is, but a degree correct. rather then on what should be professionally the right way to go, which is i think this would universally among the many trees and which is why they keep themselves away from politics. and that did good or would appear to attain, starts out of impacting your professional approach. or the, i mean to get a professional opinion that the political leadership that sometimes gets invited if

you have any visibility, show sort of political leading. and what is the role of media in integrating to the media today. and particularly the, the social media. and you know how it is, lots of misinformation this information. but again, as i said, as uh, as professionals, i'm just, i'm sure it as, as you will do it and the okay. yeah, is try and sort of a detach yourself a little bit and try and sort of see the truth. not always easy, but that's how it is like so did you think that you be a control on it and not for sure to control on it. that has to be some regulation of the social media. i mean, you just can't, aren't related, katia on the way it is. and then some people talk about freedom of expression though there is. so i, i'm, i'm, i'm not saying we should apply. i'm don't know, i'm with you. i have yes, definitely. i believe that what you're saying is absolutely some, some, some sense over to collections. i'm on the regulation and i think the social media

platforms are also understanding that because their platforms are also being misused by a lot of people. and so i think some regulation is a nice so to me, required do thing in this in the pop up and on the line. so i think we have framed a different lead all and we are saying it strategic autonomy that we will do things which i did not invest in actual interest. and we are not going to get a lined or become allies with one part of it and, and you'll see that because it is growing ties with, with the us. i'm going ties also with the restaurant because we feel that whatever actions we take, if you have to buy a new supplies from russia party now moved, i've seen a nation in this and we will do it. so that's, that's not a plot which we have been following and which i think is right now. some people say just a little sort of new on stump roads to what was on the line mendota. yeah. who do you, you've created for this balance of the great it has to go to the political leadership

and the people that they have. and we have a very small and you know that my understanding father administer, he's being in diplomacy for all his life. and so uh that he, i typically the way he a position in the stands and the way he's able to be able to explain it. oh, i think we have a, we have a, we have a good fight. i'm going to stay today. we, we, we do a lot of, uh, we have a lot of budget for roger defense forces. and my need to do that. it's a required thing because we are surrounded by so the people who is looking at you look at the what your challenges i is to go to the gallon is so you have pockets on, on one side, which since independence has shown affility towards india. and we fought the 3 plus one for the wife's almost been with them that we have now come once largest, all the neighbors in china, which since 2020, you know,

has been sort of attempting to use military caution on an unsettled load up. and then you haven't done and say go to the shows your mortgage way, the northeast. and so they just had a requirement of adequate forces to be able to deal with these challenges. and that automatically translates into a defense budget. that for me to feel no need to sort of have the ability of the size but also equipment properly. so that is capable of meeting his challenges. i'm on the subject strikes when people by saying did they actually happen on the did not happen. um, this is my 1st time to get upset there. why wasn't it sort of toner, the faces of those people who was saying it that this is so? so let me tell you, i mean frankly when these things started coming out, i was personally of the opinion that we had videos. we had big chairs,

which subsequently, when we leased by the government, i think after, after almost 10 years. so we did bibles a little bit at that time was that we should put these out. so that any, you know the tract. uh then people like saying, how does it happen normally not only from outside would even focused on say, yeah, do. i've been part of the expos now. i didn't say nothing and i worked at all. nobody has come. so i, i, anyway, but you know, that was a decision that the government took at that time, not to release it though they did it later. but as i said, my personal opinion was it could have been done. i knew in june, given this operation was taken. yeah. so i was the, i'll be going to that. right? yeah, i know that i want to ask you so many questions about the board. all of that. do some planning, the whole the planning for the subject of the site was done in my headquarters. it would be yeah, that we were responsible for the and how much time did it take to land it? so actually the planning started off the give us a little believe about yeah, so the trigger for the surgical side was the back on the when he got us an absolute

and the bag, i'll know the guy this and the base on the 18th of september. and i think very quickly of the political leadership, military leadership, we all got together and decided that we need to respond to this. and we need to respond strongly. we can adjust for them to fight and say when say we will do anything in our own tennessee. we go down to the previous government and none men going to yeah, live on happened. yeah. that we had to go across and strike in camps with children focused on that issue. so that decision that they said was after the dean, i'm the opposition went in on the night of the 28th. so within 10 days, we had planned, selected the people. i launched them across and it wasn't a single operation. so i know there's a lawyer which has to be made. oh yeah. so if it shows one thing that nobody can actually went to draw, i said multiple places. okay. yeah. starting from across the movies into across

catch me. so we had on the same night, we launched 5 populations and how much time did it take to complete these operations? so we went in, so it was at night we started just after it became quiet, but really you at that time i wasn't much because i wasn't on the head board. a lot of room was on the you know, yeah, it was, it was called an operations room and we were getting the, the feet from the lady then drawing me to it up in the me that for you to is coming to my had gotten to be a watching, couldn't really see what to do because i was when you're watching somebody went in uh and by about 7 in the morning everybody was back. so it was, it was a night operation. literally though, but i think like we did not name it at all. okay. see we were very conscious about security and that the information about this or not leak out just a handful of people in y headquarter, also knew what i mean. not really what they didn't know about it. and so we decided deliberately not to give with the name of other people side. talk your name then to

rice, what it is, and you would in class and country with the parameters to do it up when i was start blissfully untouched. for the prime minister. that was then i say, you mean any? yeah, yeah, they me the chief of on me stuff. okay. yeah. because i was in with them for okay. let's see for the for why we start with the navy. right. and yeah, he was, he was briefing that ridiculously and lot of the rest of the countries are not really very happy about either too much like you to do your best. and some countries want us to be always submissive and not so brilliant because i think this, i'll see, you know, here in the end of august on i 2 countries knew that. um, they sometimes feel that, you know, data behavior is the responsible and it could lead into a much larger sort of conflict. we know how to do a pain via being living with this situation since independent and side to that is a great deal of mentality and when we carry out the end,

we have the order to civilization. yeah. on a do means if you see this so yeah, sometimes it's really, really angry with me and that does notes and things like that. and they all, they sort of condescendingly, yeah. behaved, to address that. i know you what i, what i think it, you know, uh we have clearly stated that what we will do is in our national interest and also the country has progress. why's looking the 5th largest economy in the was i think that is a growing state chap politically, diplomatically, economically. so i don't think guy, you know, those boss pains and people who look down on you and say whether this country off then the button as well. even so i love the people as a single entity. i think those times i don't know a very, very calm the same thing. it's i think i'm sure it's or the peter of is

that you have it and you how i mean people also automatically choose the right words it's, it's sort of impresses me and baffles me on so there's not a single word which is which is the lose i have to think about a 1000 and thing don't maybe i'm given my dialogue and i said, yeah, yeah, yeah. you have to live to live that. yes, exactly. oh, i have live 545. yeah. yeah. that's yeah. and then you have, i just had a strong military bond. how important and its relationship i bought it in the rush of relationship is not meal. i think it's, it has a long history behind it. there's a great deal of consistency in how russia has come to india as a when requires, i mean the 71 war part example. we've had the kind of military equipment that we had bought from russia. for example, the new case of marines that they lead us. i mean the article thing wouldn't have

gone from anywhere else. and so there is a great deal of history behind the tie order. the reason of this morning, me, is there any particular the, as i said, as i said, it's because you have sort of treated us with a great deal of maternity. they have looked at our national interest, the number of cases where in the security council resolution the test drive, they have gone through, i hope there was a 3 deal friendship and 1971. so in the american uh, yeah, across carrier sale in uh into the there's a way of a lot of the sort of pressure to is us. and then we will finding the bottom of the squad. it was it so that i sions who sort of came to had been said, we are there, so don't get, don't get pressurized by, by the us. so i'm take data. so the long history of, of deals dies. the fact that they have looked after our national interest, which is why today you'll see the india has sort of refused to outright click on

them rush. actually doing that. you can watch, we have continued to pick out either due supplies and will it be the coupon from them. and what does the make in india program done for pilots ministry? let me let me put it this way. today we are the largest arms importer in the wide. mm hm. okay. and yeah, and the other biggest sounds important in the was the accounting for almost 10 percent of global arms and boards. and if you want to be an industrial and scientific power this and then we'll have to follow the situation obviously is not good. and so we need to develop, i don't indigenous capability. and i think the push that has been given by the government is ex, illinois. and they have said that slowly over a period of time, you suddenly get on google or defense industrial base from the ground up within india. but the policies that they have put in place, the processes that they have within place that slowly the villain does an ice and

be able to produce out on um, sending copeland, i think, is an outstanding initiative. will it happen quickly? maybe not. but the predict and direction is absolutely chair. so i'm saying in the next 5 success, you will see a strong enough defense industrial base. and i think it's an excellent initiative. why the government, they are completely the telemundo bush and you've said that citizens that often for water and in the national security and how to do. what do you mean by that? see i, i go to a national security strategy. and one pillar of died was predicting on people. the point i'm making is not shown to go to d is not gonna be nearly about it. it's important to predict about us to make shutting down to figure d is good. but ultimately, as the citizens of this country and, and why i am saying of protecting them is because you have, you shows like jobs you have the shows like environment, time of change,

how it is going to impact uh, organization is going to take place people. i'm going to move from, you know, this is when it goes to towns, how would you provide them the set of facilities that they need? this also so i think should form an integral part of how we look at our national security, which is why i said, you know, people also must be in the hospital 5, the scores and discussions on, on national security. yeah, that's, i think we mentioned, but also it is even the detritus attacks the country. right. the decreased completely and there was a into them thing sort of idea. so this is the political build things do. absolutely. i think you looks and in this valve and for the approach that they have taken against terrorism within the country. and that's why it is focused on his concern that you know, we need to be tough on this. and i think it's,

it's working. i do said the number of that of the setbacks within the country has it reduced out of the way they were happening all over the country. not only and that will encourage me, you know, even within the on where they find that. so that has, so the pressure, i think that the government has applied politically diplomatically in international circles. and the fact that there is somebody in us to use military force against bach. hassan, you know, one of the n t take some more risk. and i think that that policy is succeeding. this is my personal personalized questions before that we finish. it's shot them and the new the conversation has happened. june. or now this we are in that time the biopics i made a on army generals and the kind of book that you have done if you're biopic was to be made. or if you write to not do biograph here, let me put it like that. and what would you call it, the book that you write about your life if you ever taught. oh, that's a that's

a difficult question. uh and what for that goal? good. i see. lot of the army officers army done those. i think the, i'm was know, i really haven't, you have a very distinguished video and um for so i have and i, i don't know. so being with on or something like that, that is what i would say. okay. yeah. any particular actor you have in mind, i'll talk to you. i think you know that you are the best person just quoted you, our valence over in is that a viable ticket or one with them as well? yes, and that's amazing. thank you. thank you. left engineer to defend this thing, who thank you so much for that and thank you for watching join me next week. as we uncolored a new lid and yet another debate, and let's talk about it. i'm one of them. kids could buy the

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